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Wednesday, November 9, 2011

Charts I'm Watching: November 9, 2011

UPDATE:  2:20 PM

Continuation H&S pattern close to completing on NDX.

UPDATE:  10:30 AM

Guess that worked out okay.   I had no idea when I posted -- just before falling into bed last night -- that the market would nosedive only 90 minutes later.

That's the thing about technical analysis.  It works extremely well at forecasting moves that, after the fact, are always credited to some other headline-making event.  Like the straight man in comedy, or the point guard that delivers the assist for the MVP's dunk.   It's the Rodney Dangerfield of investing.

Now, the bigger question of whether this is the start of wave 3 or the completion of a strong B wave, with a final push to 1307-1313 to come.  If we arrest before 1215, there's a very good chance that we'll go on to complete a big Butterfly pattern, seen below:

Butterflies have a .786 Point B and typically extend out to the 1.272 Fib (although occasionally to the 1.618 which would be 1340.)  The key is where Point C lands.  It could go as low as A, but shouldn't be any lower (with rare exception.)  In fact, 1215 is my defacto line in the sand to determine whether we have one last leg up or not.

Here's an update on EUR/USD.  I haven't had to touch this chart in weeks.  The channel continues to hold like a charm.  Note that it's the same slope as the previous channels that contained major moves.  Don't see any need to toy with it, now.


I'm looking for a reversal at 1276-1278 after completing our bearish Gartley and Butterfly patterns.  Short-term targets range from 1214 to 1238.  For more, see yesterday's post.

Here's an updated chart reflecting the 2011 v 2008 analog we've been following since May.  We've gone over this so many times over these past six months, everyone's probably pretty sick of it.  But, I have a feeling it's not quite done with us.

There have been three primary divergences between the two tops: (a) the depth of the initial plunge (days 57-69); (b) the rise instead of a decline around day 85; and, (c) the slope of the rise since day 108.   The fact that we diverged in a meaningful way around day 85, but then came back and resumed following the 2008 market point-by-point leads me to believe we could be experiencing another, similar divergence.

IF in fact that's what's happening, it's worth looking at the potential rising wedges for the last act of this wave 2.    Here's a closeup of the 2011 market -- the bottom half of the comparison shown above:

The yellow rising wedge (with nothing much in it) is my approximation of where the 2008 market went during wave 2.  In other words, it's where the market would have been had there been no divergence during this period. 

The purple rising wedge captures pretty well the wave 2 action -- except for the Oct 27-31 departure that is a pretty obvious divergence from the 2008 pattern.

And, the red rising wedge is the one we've experienced so far, Oct 27-31 and all.  The key difference is that it treats the early November rise as a backtest --  a reality if 1292 was, indeed the wave 2 top.

Maybe it's something else entirely.  For instance, if you clear out everything but the bottom of the purple and top of the red wedges, you get two precisely parallel lines that form a pretty decent looking channel.  The channel midline even works pretty well.

So, which is it?  From a casual perusal of fellow forecasters, I'd say there's plenty of confusion to go around.   In all candor, there are good arguments for each, offered by people whose work I respect.

My favorite two scenarios are that: (1) wave 2 is over and we're on our way down; or, (2) Tuesday's high at 1278 (and a .786 Fib level off 1292) is a Point B that's part of a larger Butterfly pattern.  The downturn I'm expecting Wednesday will lead to a higher low (Point C) between 1215-1238 that reverses for a final rise to 1307-1313 around December 5 (day 150 from the analog.)

If the plunge I'm expecting reverses by 1215, I'll figure it's option 2.  If it keeps on going, well... welcome to wave 3.  Next stop 980.

Stay tuned.


  1. Great job! Looks like the market wanted to test the 200 DMA. I bought puts at the end of the day. How about the bears taking back this market for once?

  2. Pebble thanks again for all your work.

    Could you please elaborate on the X,A,B points for the larger butterfly pattern.

    Also, for all the doubters of harmonics out there ... if today's reversal can't persuade you of their significance then you shouldn't be trading !!

  3. Great update, Pebblewriter. If we continue to sell, I believe the next test for TF is the upsloping IHS neckline ~699. These two fractals have some very interesting internal fib similarities, time & price.

  4. Pebble ignore my question I just looked at your one chart which indicates the pivots you are utilizing.


  5. Pebble,

    ewforecast has pinned the count for eurusd very well yesterday...we have likely seen the top of wave 2 completion today. Wave 3 down likely in progress now. If so, I expect stock to follow eurusd to go down in synchro.

  6. As Timer said, the DX and the EUR is decisively breakout and breakdown. Only the stock market, it is wave 3 down or still need to retest around 1300.

  7. Bears should be rooting for #2. Would really get premiums down.

  8. Pebble just a little something else to keep an eye on ...

    A bullish butterfly may be setting up using X as the 1215 low, A as Tuesday's 1277 high, and B as yesterday's touch and hold of 1228. If this is the case C should reverse around 1253 and D the 1.272 extension would be around 1199 ... which also happens to be the 50 day MA.

    Based on his post yesterday, Daneric is considering (in my opinion) this is a corrective wave of Minor 2 up, and that it should touch the 50 and hold.